“I cut out the built in "underwear" as it was ill fitting and did not make sense - in a backpacking trip I wash my socks and underwear, but not my pants. It needs to have real belt loops, the built in belt is too small and has no give so what good is the elastic waistband? Material is excellent and quality is very good. Pockets are okay, but I like them bigger. I got these pants for a great deal at around $20 so it gets 4 stars.”
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