Lowe Alpine never disappoints with their use of high quality, strong, but lightweight materials. It's a shame they're not making pants anymore. I borrowed a pair of ice light pants and loved them. Unfortunately I couldn't find any to purchase in my size, so I tried these. My biggest complaint is the side zippers with velcro closures - a real pain to deal with and the zippers catch. The ice lights use nice simple self-sealing zippers that make much more sense. These pants have those types of zips on the fly and pockets, but not on the sides! I have skinny legs and the fit is nice for me. Gaiters are nice and removable. I'd like a third pocket somewhere (there is a little hidden inside pocket thing that can fit a cell-phone). If you're the type that doesn't fuss much with the side zips, get these before they're gone - get two. If you're like me and use side zips for venting frequently, I'd probably keep looking (preferably for a pair of ice lights that fit if you're so lucky).